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. >> alisyn: he has the upper hand in this because he wants taxes to go up. >> a tax cut is not a tax cut at all, we extend, we extend. there is a difference there. >> right. >> like you were saying, clayton, representative randy forbes, i guess kind of well, leading the way and saying the president doesn't want an agreement and well, listen to him. >> the president doesn't really want to get an agreement or a compromise. he wants to get his way. and that's why he won't come to the table with any serious proposal and simply talk because i think if we do that. we can get a solution that everybody could live with. we're willing it sit down and negotiate and talk about the ideas and principles, where is the senate and where is the president. and sitting at the table the senate and president are missing in action. >> alisyn: it's the president's address this weekend where i heard him sound the most definitive. he sounds like he will not budge on that $250,000 line for families and for businesses. there is he been a the lot of talk, will he raise it to a million. >> half a million. >> half
. >> alisyn: he has the upper hand in this because he wants taxes to go up. >> a tax cut is not a tax cut at all, we extend, we extend. there is a difference there. >> right. >> like you were saying, clayton, representative randy forbes, i guess kind of well, leading the way and saying the president doesn't want an agreement and well, listen to him. >> the president doesn't really want to get an agreement or a compromise. he wants to get his way. and that's why he...
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they also pay a high rate of tax but nowhere near as high as the u.k. we've got the netherlands that pays around forty eight percent tax germany pays around forty percent average families that pay in tax now we spoke to a few londoners on the streets and asked them about how they feel about how much tax they pay let's take a listen i'm not looking for us person these players such as think it should be fair across the board move people should pay proportionately. it could be. you know going from it really. feels like it's going to the fact that it's in the. communities it's just so as you can see you know a lot of people just extremely frustrated that they aren't getting any of their local services back it's demoralizing figure and as the government had promised to recognize marriage to provide some of these tax breaks they haven't done that yet and in the run up to christmas with prices on the rise food prices fuel prices just the price of heating a family's home this is very very bad news and a lot of people feeling extremely frustrated about it. itali
they also pay a high rate of tax but nowhere near as high as the u.k. we've got the netherlands that pays around forty eight percent tax germany pays around forty percent average families that pay in tax now we spoke to a few londoners on the streets and asked them about how they feel about how much tax they pay let's take a listen i'm not looking for us person these players such as think it should be fair across the board move people should pay proportionately. it could be. you know going from...
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their tax rate jumps from 25% to 28%. they could be hit by the alternative minimum tax. the child tax credit drops from $1,000 to $500 and payroll taxes could be $2,000 more next year. for a single 25-year-old in michigan who works full-time earning $30,000 a year going to school part-time, his tax rate would stay the same at 15%. but he would lose the american education tax credit and have to pay more than $600 in payroll taxes. and even though it's weeks before the changes would take effect the impact is already being felt because of uncertainty. 401(k) plans are taking a hit. companies are putting freezes on hiring. and the retail sector which makes most of its money in the final weeks of the year. black friday is over and people are just hoping it doesn't turn into bleak friday. >> trying to be penny wise and not dollar stupid. >> the national retail federation did a survey that 64% of americans are watching closely the negotiations in washington over the fiscal cliff and that a lot of consumers are taking a wait and see approach, reluctant to go on a spending spree.
their tax rate jumps from 25% to 28%. they could be hit by the alternative minimum tax. the child tax credit drops from $1,000 to $500 and payroll taxes could be $2,000 more next year. for a single 25-year-old in michigan who works full-time earning $30,000 a year going to school part-time, his tax rate would stay the same at 15%. but he would lose the american education tax credit and have to pay more than $600 in payroll taxes. and even though it's weeks before the changes would take effect...
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they are flattening the tax rates. they're creating jobs and growing their economies at twice the rate of this lunacy that the president continues to pursue. >> we have a short-run problem, which is purely a political problem about this fiscal cliff. it has nothing to do with the bondholder and the debt. we should solve that. we should work on that. >>> we got to take a break. lots more roundtable. >>> plus, why did the tea party star quit the senate? what does it mean for the gop? >>> hillary's next move. the world is her oyster now, but what does she want? to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. that retiring some day is even an option for sean and me. how'd you get comfortable enough to know you could re
they are flattening the tax rates. they're creating jobs and growing their economies at twice the rate of this lunacy that the president continues to pursue. >> we have a short-run problem, which is purely a political problem about this fiscal cliff. it has nothing to do with the bondholder and the debt. we should solve that. we should work on that. >>> we got to take a break. lots more roundtable. >>> plus, why did the tea party star quit the senate? what does it mean...
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i pay all of my taxes as i can. and so that is all i have got to say. >> reporter: the san francisco attorney told us in a letter today that he is working with the franchise tax board to pay his bill. he is just one in a long list of californians on the hook for back taxes. we reviewed the top 500 tax beats and found respected professionals including other lawyers, doctors and nurses and hollywood celebrity and the top of the list is san francisco tech pierre halsey pioneer halsey minor. we confronted another tax evader. and your husband owe more than $500,000 to the state? >> no, we don't. >> reporter: the franchise tax board also says the couple living in this 2.5-acre gated estes is clinton is way behind on its taxes. >> you are no. 229. no. 229. then there is dr. de leon, jr. of walnut creek, no. 1 on the list of corporate tax delinquents. we're just asking why he didn't pay a $4.1 million tax bill? we were told the doctor wouldn't see us and only clients. missing money that could have a direct impact on everyth
i pay all of my taxes as i can. and so that is all i have got to say. >> reporter: the san francisco attorney told us in a letter today that he is working with the franchise tax board to pay his bill. he is just one in a long list of californians on the hook for back taxes. we reviewed the top 500 tax beats and found respected professionals including other lawyers, doctors and nurses and hollywood celebrity and the top of the list is san francisco tech pierre halsey pioneer halsey minor....
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there's not a tax for that, pretty sure. to the point to have the additional costs which would have to be hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars, where's that's coming from? unless they use taxes on fuels to be the solution, that, at least, in theory, does not st the government money. it doesn't mean it passes or have other effects. neil: cost money? >> not economy, but it will not look like they need o spend to solve the problem if that's the way it es. neil: [inaudible] >> yeah, we're broke. we're turn your pockets inside out, it's over. no money. neil: you got the point across. thank you, both, very much. washington, we have a problem. don't think so? here's it's straight from the real guys behind this, after this. ♪ >> in is hoton, say again, please. >> houston, we have a problem. we have a main bolt, we have a lot of thruster, activity, houston. houston. just went offline. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh,
there's not a tax for that, pretty sure. to the point to have the additional costs which would have to be hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars, where's that's coming from? unless they use taxes on fuels to be the solution, that, at least, in theory, does not st the government money. it doesn't mean it passes or have other effects. neil: cost money? >> not economy, but it will not look like they need o spend to solve the problem if that's the way it es. neil: [inaudible] >>...
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it shifted the way it has on taxes. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling. it's money congress has already spent and let congress by two-thirds override it. he thought we democrats would run from that scared as could be. within a half hour we had 51 votes, we called his bluff and he filibustered his proposal. the sure footed mitch mcconnell stumbled. i believe debt ceiling will be part of the agreement. and i believe our republican colleagues learned that to say the government will not pay its debt and hold it up for something else is bad substance and bad politics. i don't think they'll prevail. if they want to say we won't raise the debt ceiling unless we cut medicare, make our day. >> meaning go ahead and default the country? >> no, meaning that is untenable and won't last. >> i want to go to other subjects. senator schumer, on the first day of the next congress in january, will democrats change the rules on filibusters by a
it shifted the way it has on taxes. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling. it's money congress has already spent and let congress by two-thirds override it. he thought we democrats would run from that scared as could be. within a half hour we had 51 votes, we called his bluff and he filibustered his proposal. the sure footed mitch mcconnell stumbled. i believe debt ceiling will be part of the agreement....
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taxes go up for everybody. there's automatic spending cuts across every sector of government spending. even ones that are critical for infrastructure in our economy. so that's why there's such interest in averting this fiscal cliff. and i think that we can do that by simply taking up the senate bill. we continue the middle class tax cuts. >> before i let you go, starting today, same-sex couples in washington were able to marry for the first time because the state's same-sex marriage law took effect on friday. the supreme court announcing on friday, the same-sex law took effect at midnight. the supreme court announcing friday it's going to wade into the same-sex marriage debate. as a politician who is openly gay, are we on the cusp of a tectonic shift of sourts with regards to marriage equality in this country? >> i sure hope so, those of us who strongly support equality are looking to the court to do something. like the loving case that allowed for interracial marriage. like brown versus board of education. it'
taxes go up for everybody. there's automatic spending cuts across every sector of government spending. even ones that are critical for infrastructure in our economy. so that's why there's such interest in averting this fiscal cliff. and i think that we can do that by simply taking up the senate bill. we continue the middle class tax cuts. >> before i let you go, starting today, same-sex couples in washington were able to marry for the first time because the state's same-sex marriage law...
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more boehner has proposed that in tax reform. it kind of looks like that raising taxes on the wealthy. that means the president which has laid down a substantive plan has to address spending cuts. we need about two dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in tax increases and it has to include entitlement reform. he has talked about different index inflation for social security and raising the age of medicare. that is the grand bargain that we need to do so we stop the negotiation and come to the principle compromise so we have a sustainable debt to g.d.p. ratio so our economy grows. that is what the compromise should the have to do and tax reform and entitlements and raising marginal tax rates. >> heather: do you think compromise is in progress in terms of the meeting today? >> any time the parties are talking face to face and not picking up the phone and having short conversations is a good thing. occasionally a deal gets done. we've been down this road before. boehner thought he had a deal with the president and president tho
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the bush tax cuts lapse. what they're talking about is let's extent bush tax cuts for the 98%, let them go up maybe not 39.6% but 37%, something like that. then next year, when the republicans have more leverage with the debt ceiling and also with the government running out of money, that's the point they go after the president on spending. both social programs as well as entitlement reform. i'm not sure you're going to get a big deal right now but you might get enough to avoid the fiscal cliff and then more fighting next year over spending. >> will republicans accept a 38% tax rate for the wealthy? and will democrats accept reductions in entitlement spending? >> that's a good question. corker would accept 37% but he speaks for a few senators. he doesn't speak for the house republican majority and john boehner though it seems to be moving that direction. i'm not sure the president would accept 37% because i'm not sure he gets enough money. you need enough money, whether there's some -- yes, partial increase i
the bush tax cuts lapse. what they're talking about is let's extent bush tax cuts for the 98%, let them go up maybe not 39.6% but 37%, something like that. then next year, when the republicans have more leverage with the debt ceiling and also with the government running out of money, that's the point they go after the president on spending. both social programs as well as entitlement reform. i'm not sure you're going to get a big deal right now but you might get enough to avoid the fiscal cliff...
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taxes back to the pre-bush rates. he gets all tax increases and can blame the ones not popular on republicans for not negotiating. he gets something he'll never get, never get in a negotiation. if you look at the spending cuts, half out of defense, half out of domestic. defense makes up 16% of the budget. the rest is domestic. there's no way that you're going to have any kind of budget deal that's negotiated that's going to take as much as r out of defense. >> you think he has leverage because he can say go over the cliff. >> he wants the defense cuts. he gets all of the defense cuts, more than he would get in a negotiation and all of tax increases, including the money from the unpopular ones. he wants the money because he wants more spending -- wants to be able to spend more. and he gets really a fairly small down payment on domestic discretionary cuts, half a trillion dollars is a drop in the bucket of what we have to do. he gets two things he wants. >> one of things he's going to be facing in the second term is a m
taxes back to the pre-bush rates. he gets all tax increases and can blame the ones not popular on republicans for not negotiating. he gets something he'll never get, never get in a negotiation. if you look at the spending cuts, half out of defense, half out of domestic. defense makes up 16% of the budget. the rest is domestic. there's no way that you're going to have any kind of budget deal that's negotiated that's going to take as much as r out of defense. >> you think he has leverage...
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well the payroll tax holiday, it was created in 2010, it had a two-year tax extension, it expires on december 31st. this is a 2% payroll tax that all americans were enjoying. if nothing is resolved, your first paycheck in january is going to be 2% lighter. that may not sound like a lot. but you take a person who's makimake $50,000 per year, it's about 1,700 a year. >> i'm going to guess that even if we do leap off the cliff, we'll have some type of a resolution, some type of a deal that will be retroactive back to january 1. but why play with poison like that, right now have to expect that you want that deal done now. >> what are the convinces for tfor -- consequences for military personnel? >> just on the defense sector alone, you're looking at $55 billion in cuts just to the defense budget. you have to look at the ancillary part of this. you look at real estate holdings, homes that are have a close proximity to defense. >> final question for you, todd, a major confusion going on here, it's about this so-called $250,000 there are hold for house holds, does this mean that all of the
well the payroll tax holiday, it was created in 2010, it had a two-year tax extension, it expires on december 31st. this is a 2% payroll tax that all americans were enjoying. if nothing is resolved, your first paycheck in january is going to be 2% lighter. that may not sound like a lot. but you take a person who's makimake $50,000 per year, it's about 1,700 a year. >> i'm going to guess that even if we do leap off the cliff, we'll have some type of a resolution, some type of a deal that...
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but from the tax code in 1913 only 14 pages we have warped into the 702000 page monster. more than 1,000 different forms to download. nobody understands. h&r block loves it but it is a news around the neck of the american economy. every page has something in it that sounds good but look what it adds up to 27 spending. the welfare state. people say take care of people. unintended consequence? >> you heard those most vulnerable. the welfare state is like flypaper. there are shocking figures showing as the income rises to live the american dream, you start to get taxed on one end the government takes away benefits on the other end those who lose a living standard with $10,000 more in salaries. >> they play more in taxes and lose government benefits. >> earned income credit, of welfare benefits, medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, you're on a treadmill. you are running harder and it goes backwards. think of the mmssage that since. they think i will not work as hard or get disability. john: in pennsylvania with $29,000 of income you are better to stay there than earning
but from the tax code in 1913 only 14 pages we have warped into the 702000 page monster. more than 1,000 different forms to download. nobody understands. h&r block loves it but it is a news around the neck of the american economy. every page has something in it that sounds good but look what it adds up to 27 spending. the welfare state. people say take care of people. unintended consequence? >> you heard those most vulnerable. the welfare state is like flypaper. there are shocking...
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we are growingt two percent and shod be growing at four percent annually and right tax an regulatory policy to liberate job creators to do that i don't think we would have a food sta crisis. >> i think thi all of us could agree. that is keeping poor people poor because they are pushing welfare programs. >>, you shouldn't be shocked with the bureaucracy a advertising in promotion to justify. >> hold on, it is it shocking. it is shocking that government officials would want to keep people poor. >> but let me give you an example and this goes back a few years and a narrow casting example. but the new york city subway used to have posters written in spanish advertising a gay, lesbian domestic violence hot line. that's how fine grained it get in new york new york city on the subway pushi welfare programs. it informs and pushes them. >> but getting back to the porty program and they're pushing food stamps and welfare programs and they have a tendency to keep poor people poor. once you are on the dole it is hard tore get off. >> it is. incentives arerong. they encourage people to stay on it
we are growingt two percent and shod be growing at four percent annually and right tax an regulatory policy to liberate job creators to do that i don't think we would have a food sta crisis. >> i think thi all of us could agree. that is keeping poor people poor because they are pushing welfare programs. >>, you shouldn't be shocked with the bureaucracy a advertising in promotion to justify. >> hold on, it is it shocking. it is shocking that government officials would want to...
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current payroll tax cut is set to expire on december 31st. in dollars and cents this means your payroll tax withholding is going from 4.2% to 6.2%. now why is this happening? many of the policies expiring at the end of the year like the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment benefits were originally passed on a temporary basis. the thinking was the economy would be in much better shape by now and policies could expire without causing a recession. >> learn anymore at wusa9.com and 9news. this has been a 9news fiscal cliff note. >>> rain fell across the area today. folks in minnesota and wisconsin are digging out from nearly a foot of snow. winter storm is making for tough driving conditions on highways there. residents are being warned against strong wind gusts overnight. too early to ask about a white christmas. >> absolutely it's too early to ask about a white christmas. i am going to keep that out of the forecast for now. >> all right. >> but we have more rain on the way unfor the fetly this very pattern is going to stick around through
current payroll tax cut is set to expire on december 31st. in dollars and cents this means your payroll tax withholding is going from 4.2% to 6.2%. now why is this happening? many of the policies expiring at the end of the year like the payroll tax cut and emergency unemployment benefits were originally passed on a temporary basis. the thinking was the economy would be in much better shape by now and policies could expire without causing a recession. >> learn anymore at wusa9.com and...
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drastically reduce tax rates. most of eastern europe now has flat tax is. in all these countries, revenues have boomed. there hasn't been a big craze this is anime and estonia. this in a past and estonia with 12% flat tax. the fact is supply-side economics is booming around the world. it's only in the united states that soul-searching and from this economics of enterprise. >> what is your analysis of what is happening in what donald rumsfeld recalled old europe? >> old europe is fallen with the indulgent dilutions of the welfare state. they've all accepted dependence on a show i've government and bass have destroyed the value of their assets. when you destroy the value of your assets, ultimately the human beings who make your economy go our investments and creations of work after. when you'd appreciate this asset, reliability is become impossible. if you unleashed the assets of your economy, allows the stock market to boom and thread began, then all of a sudden these liabilities they seem impossible today become manageable in the future. >> george gilder, w
drastically reduce tax rates. most of eastern europe now has flat tax is. in all these countries, revenues have boomed. there hasn't been a big craze this is anime and estonia. this in a past and estonia with 12% flat tax. the fact is supply-side economics is booming around the world. it's only in the united states that soul-searching and from this economics of enterprise. >> what is your analysis of what is happening in what donald rumsfeld recalled old europe? >> old europe is...
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all of those americans, too, get a tax cut. the obama administration is happening what happens for the aying american families. we have congressman randy forbes. >> let me ask you something. do you feel like a president actually wants this to happen so that it gives him some political ad vantage? >> i have to judge that by two things. first of all what i am hearing from my colleagues on the democratic leadership side they said they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff because we have argued all along they will start by simply taxing everybody over 250,000. they told me they wouldn vote fr anything that would tax everybody over 150,000. you take the president's actions. the president doesn't want to get an agreement or compromise he wants to get his way. he won't come to the table with any serious proposal because we can get a solution everybody can live with. >>> they have a bit of a messaging problem. i don't understand why there's not more of a conversation that starts with the fact these taxes go up. democrats would not extend
all of those americans, too, get a tax cut. the obama administration is happening what happens for the aying american families. we have congressman randy forbes. >> let me ask you something. do you feel like a president actually wants this to happen so that it gives him some political ad vantage? >> i have to judge that by two things. first of all what i am hearing from my colleagues on the democratic leadership side they said they wanted to go over the fiscal cliff because we have...
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the tax measure. after the tax measure was passed, the governor's job approval rating went town 48%. nearly half of the people now think the state is going in the right direction. that is a difference. but 94% of those polled still believe that the state's fiscal future overall remain as problem. so, with numbers like that, we turned to former mayor and state assembly speaker willy brown and san francisco chronicle political reporter joe garifoli. our first question to the pair is it appears happy days are here again for california voters, but why are they feeling so good? >> they are feeling better. not a management of people are feeling good, but they are -- not a majority of people are feeling good, but they are feeling more optimistic. they think is state is on better financial footing. >> did you ever take stock when the public was feeling better or worse? >> no, are youing me? i am more -- are you kidding me? i am more concerned about the votes. the public was basically in second place. i had to
the tax measure. after the tax measure was passed, the governor's job approval rating went town 48%. nearly half of the people now think the state is going in the right direction. that is a difference. but 94% of those polled still believe that the state's fiscal future overall remain as problem. so, with numbers like that, we turned to former mayor and state assembly speaker willy brown and san francisco chronicle political reporter joe garifoli. our first question to the pair is it appears...
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the other way is if you raise taxes, as a part of a grand bargain, you could provide that those taxes would be rescinded automatically and would sun set in the event you exceeded that cap of spending to gdp, whatever it is, 20%, 21%, wherever it is, 22%. >> on the spending side, even if you were to do the kind of sequestration you were talking about, if you look at the medium term and suddenly the long-term. >> yeah. >> all of the increases in spending are essentially around health care. it's medicare and medicaid that are out of control. >> yeah, you got it. >> what would you do about that? >> you got to fix it, you got to you got to have entitlements tochb table because entitlements are the biggest part of our spending problem. defense has to be on the table. everything has to be on the table. you have to begin this negotiation by agreeing that they're not going to be any preconditions. everything's going to be on the table, you ought to also have an agreement that nothing will be decided until everything is decided. you ought to also have an agreement that it will be done in confid
the other way is if you raise taxes, as a part of a grand bargain, you could provide that those taxes would be rescinded automatically and would sun set in the event you exceeded that cap of spending to gdp, whatever it is, 20%, 21%, wherever it is, 22%. >> on the spending side, even if you were to do the kind of sequestration you were talking about, if you look at the medium term and suddenly the long-term. >> yeah. >> all of the increases in spending are essentially around...
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>> well, you know, howls holds also realize that tax rates are likely to go up, so we're seeing thlot of underwater homeowners-- homeowners that owe more on aeir home than it's worth-- itling this year because they get a tax break if they do it ohis year. next year they may not get it. we're seeing wealthy households give more to their favorite charities. 'vey're worried the charitable earsction they've been using for many years may get scaled back so they want to get that done this year. >> dubois: okay, mark zandi, thank you very much tonight. one of the brightest spots in the u.s. economy is car sales. 1.1 million cars and trucks were sold last month. that's up 15% over last year. thn blackstone reports while americans are spending more money on cars, they are demanding vehicles that cost them less at the bump. >> reporter: this year's l.a. auto show is bolder... and greener than ever before. more than 50 electric, hybrid, and other fuel-efficient vehicles are on display at a time when style is taking a backseat to fuel economy. fward loh, editor in chief for "motor trend" magazine
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, and, now, the tax cuts are good. how can this be? it's interesting, isn't it? that's all for us. have a great weekend. we'll see you monday. good night from new he said the. 40 years back. what are we now? 9:00 p.m. sunday. fox news. relive the dream dream again. >> the federal government will conduct a national test of the emergen alert system. >> you cannot avoid it. it is everywhere. john: does it make you feel safe the government spent 40 years studying the assault assault -- soap. do we need government to protect workers? >> absolutely. next? -- question. [laughter] >> good intentions and gone wrong. that is e show. tonight. john: politians claimed they make life better to pass laws. they have good intentions but we should not judge by intention. politicians good intentions go wrong. work regulation. companies are not greedy they don't care about their workers but seems reasonable government has tprotect them. almost everybody agrees. >> they should be protected. defitely. so many things could have been. corpora
, and, now, the tax cuts are good. how can this be? it's interesting, isn't it? that's all for us. have a great weekend. we'll see you monday. good night from new he said the. 40 years back. what are we now? 9:00 p.m. sunday. fox news. relive the dream dream again. >> the federal government will conduct a national test of the emergen alert system. >> you cannot avoid it. it is everywhere. john: does it make you feel safe the government spent 40 years studying the assault assault --...
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but from the tax code in 1913 only 14 pages we have warped into the 702000 page monster. more than 1,000 different forms to download. nobody understands. h&r blocloves it but it is a news around the neck of the american economy. every page has something in it that sounds good but look what it adds up to 27 spending. the welfare state. people say te care of people. unintended consequence? >> you heard those most vulnerable. the welfare state is like flypaper. there are shocking figures showing as the income rises to live the american dream, you start to get taxed on one end the government takes away benefits on the other end those who lose a living standard with $10,000 more in salaries. >> they play more in taxes and lose government benefits. >> earned income credit, o welfare benefits, medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, you're on a treadmill. you are running harder and it goes backwards. think of the mmssage that since. they think i will not work as hard or get disability. john: in pennsylvania with $29,000 of income you are better to stay there than earning 55,0
but from the tax code in 1913 only 14 pages we have warped into the 702000 page monster. more than 1,000 different forms to download. nobody understands. h&r blocloves it but it is a news around the neck of the american economy. every page has something in it that sounds good but look what it adds up to 27 spending. the welfare state. people say te care of people. unintended consequence? >> you heard those most vulnerable. the welfare state is like flypaper. there are shocking figures...
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he also said, listen, if we give him his tax rate, we may be able to hold the total package of tax revenues at half of what the president is asking for. the president wants $1.6 trillion in new taxes. and corker's saying, if we just do the rate, we can hold it to half that. so you could -- we could get a short-term agreement that avoids the cliff but it could mean that the long-term agreement is much smaller than what the president and economists and others really want. >> you have gad sources there. are sources telling you anything about what happened behind closed doors? >> i have not heard anything. this is all broken in the last, you know, hour or two. so i have not heard anything yet. i'm hoping to learn more. but i think the truth is we're going did learn more tomorrow. that's what leaks are likely to start coming out. boehner's going to have to tell troops on the republican side and the president is likely to talk to democrats. >> once they start talking to people and word gets out, people will start talking to you guys. >> we'll begin to get a sense of, are they really that close or
he also said, listen, if we give him his tax rate, we may be able to hold the total package of tax revenues at half of what the president is asking for. the president wants $1.6 trillion in new taxes. and corker's saying, if we just do the rate, we can hold it to half that. so you could -- we could get a short-term agreement that avoids the cliff but it could mean that the long-term agreement is much smaller than what the president and economists and others really want. >> you have gad...
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to the guerrillas so will love this tax under now as well as they grow coca plants and where people have nothing else except for the coca we tax the cartels who make a lot of money on this business but we won't tax village folk who own but if you have to is of current bush's each that is why everyone wants to draw a relation between coca and the guerillas in other areas where they have different businesses who also have a our tax differently but the reality in colombia is such that every institution across the country is involved in drug trafficking so wherever we go collecting our tax now always local drug dealers and cartel members to be found and they will have to pay us a war acquires money just like a car needs an engine to run. fark announced earlier this year that it would no longer kidnap people but if you individuals are still held captive what are their prospects is their plan to have them released. we hold no captives. some time ago there was an organization that used to claim that we how some three thousand people in captivity that was before last february when we announ
to the guerrillas so will love this tax under now as well as they grow coca plants and where people have nothing else except for the coca we tax the cartels who make a lot of money on this business but we won't tax village folk who own but if you have to is of current bush's each that is why everyone wants to draw a relation between coca and the guerillas in other areas where they have different businesses who also have a our tax differently but the reality in colombia is such that every...
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todd, if taxes go up, get ready for that unemployment rate to shoots u, too. >> you've got that right. brenda, not only going to go higher, we're looking at hundreds of thousands of jobs eliminated because of higher taxes. you can't, you can't simply look at small business owners small business comprise of two-thirds of all jobs created in the country in the last ten years, if you're going to raise that personal income tax, that's going to hit the small business owners they won't have enough to go out and hire and we all have to be epared because the lor picture is going to get fragile real quick. >> julian, you agree? >> no, and a certain point on the show and elsewhere we have to stop utterin opinions and using facts. the most definitive study done about this, the nonpartisan agency that republicans and democrats agree to be the ultimateuthoty is the congressional budget office. they looked at this question and they found that raising the top, the rates on the top 2% will have virtually no
todd, if taxes go up, get ready for that unemployment rate to shoots u, too. >> you've got that right. brenda, not only going to go higher, we're looking at hundreds of thousands of jobs eliminated because of higher taxes. you can't, you can't simply look at small business owners small business comprise of two-thirds of all jobs created in the country in the last ten years, if you're going to raise that personal income tax, that's going to hit the small business owners they won't have...
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. >> tax rates and where they stand are at the center of this debate. that continues to be the discussion. i want to throw up something from "the new york times" here. this is, this is, this is is a headline from "the new york times." even if republicans were to agree to mr. obama's core demand that the top marginal income rates return to the clinton-era levels of 36%, 39.6% after december 21st, the article goes on to say, the additional revenue would be only about a quarter of the $1.6 trillion that mr. obama wants to collect over ten years. why should republicans agree do that. if it's not going to generate enough revenue, congressman? >> well, it's a down payment on the deal. we want to make sure that middle class taxes don't go up by $2,000 january 1st. that's something that i feel the president feels, republicans and
. >> tax rates and where they stand are at the center of this debate. that continues to be the discussion. i want to throw up something from "the new york times" here. this is, this is, this is is a headline from "the new york times." even if republicans were to agree to mr. obama's core demand that the top marginal income rates return to the clinton-era levels of 36%, 39.6% after december 21st, the article goes on to say, the additional revenue would be only about a...
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the white house wants a tax on the rich and increase on the debt limit. say tax tight cost american jobs. medicare is going bankrupt, inability will be bankrupt two years. of democratsity republicans to reach a compromise is frustrating to about socialry security and medicare benefits. a lot of times when people are dug in, they hav a lot of misinformation. still, some insist progress made. g >> our economy is moving up, not enough. go over that cliff would be terrible. in her place of work, linda coolercooler head -- prevail. >> we hope that government will work withus so we can them. on that talk shows today, said he wouldrker agree to higher taxes a the wealthy if it meant chance to overhaul costly like medicare. democrats are skeptical of gop proposals. >> thank you. it happened again -- an intruder e into a georgetown university students president. this happened early this morning. woke upn't work at -- d found the intruder. the student was not hurt. ago, a man broke into campus rowhouse and attacked to students in sight. indication than incidents ar
the white house wants a tax on the rich and increase on the debt limit. say tax tight cost american jobs. medicare is going bankrupt, inability will be bankrupt two years. of democratsity republicans to reach a compromise is frustrating to about socialry security and medicare benefits. a lot of times when people are dug in, they hav a lot of misinformation. still, some insist progress made. g >> our economy is moving up, not enough. go over that cliff would be terrible. in her place of...
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gerri: as you are implying, the taxes, the debt tax soes after january 1 if nothing happens. >> monster. gerri: absolutely frightening. to you, you can see how people are reacting in the heartland to this. we're seeing reports every single day about people who are no upping the an to charity because they're worried that their charitable donation will be worth less. companies are paying dividends like to have not seen in december. it seems to me like the rest of the world is ahead of congress. washington is in the rearview see, and everybody else is getting ahead of them. >>ight. i say that's like every other day in america where the rest of e world as head of congress. [laughter] gerri: how is this different? [laughter] >> i thinkhat's right. i think what we're seeing in public is a little bit different from all rehearsing in private. what you're likely to see is republicans agree to some kind of decoupling of the tax rate issue, whether they do it and this proposal that has been floated that they vote present and let the president and democrats on the issue or whether they free up -- w
gerri: as you are implying, the taxes, the debt tax soes after january 1 if nothing happens. >> monster. gerri: absolutely frightening. to you, you can see how people are reacting in the heartland to this. we're seeing reports every single day about people who are no upping the an to charity because they're worried that their charitable donation will be worth less. companies are paying dividends like to have not seen in december. it seems to me like the rest of the world is ahead of...
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they also pay a high rate of tax but nowhere near as high as the u.k. we've got the.
they also pay a high rate of tax but nowhere near as high as the u.k. we've got the.
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is there an upper limit to how much of these tax exempt obligations can be let out? >> there is no upper limit at the local city level. i don't believe there is an upper limit on the federal level either. it's a transaction that is between the borrower and the lender. and, so, as you mentioned, the resolution merely approves the financing to proceed on a tax exempt basis. >> okay. so, there's no kind of limit to the number or the amount of tax exempt bonds that are let out i guess in the general market. that's just a general question. if you don't have the answer, if you can find out that would be great. >> sure. and again the resolution is for not to exceed 32 million for this project. >> right. will the san francisco friends of school, do you think that you might be able to come up and speak briefly to what this would go towards? just for the benefit of the public. >> thank you, supervisor kim. my name is paul galvin. i'm the director of finance and operations for san francisco friends school. in november 2007, the city and abag approved $24 million in a credit enh
is there an upper limit to how much of these tax exempt obligations can be let out? >> there is no upper limit at the local city level. i don't believe there is an upper limit on the federal level either. it's a transaction that is between the borrower and the lender. and, so, as you mentioned, the resolution merely approves the financing to proceed on a tax exempt basis. >> okay. so, there's no kind of limit to the number or the amount of tax exempt bonds that are let out i guess...
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in terms of spending cuts for those higher tax rates. the republicans say they aren't going to come forward until the democrats say more about how they want to cut spending. right now, we're stuck. now, it could be the well that is getting poisoned right now, as positions are going to harden but with all of these negotiations they sometimes look most dire before they break. the debt limit, president obama also said that he's not going to negotiate at all over the debt limit. i don't see how you can get that resolved by december 31st. >> now, could the republicans give in on the tax rates on the rich in this country if they do want to use the debt limit as leverage? >> they could. lot of republicans have said, listen, they know taxes are going to go up, but they want to know how far the president is willing to go in cutting spending, especially that entitlement spending, even social security, before they sign on to the higher rates. you got these guys circling each other before coming together. >> gut check, though. if i'm sitting at home
in terms of spending cuts for those higher tax rates. the republicans say they aren't going to come forward until the democrats say more about how they want to cut spending. right now, we're stuck. now, it could be the well that is getting poisoned right now, as positions are going to harden but with all of these negotiations they sometimes look most dire before they break. the debt limit, president obama also said that he's not going to negotiate at all over the debt limit. i don't see how you...
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by eliminating deductions, you make the tax system more fair one. it is the rich who have the lawyers who rk around the rates and have the lobbyis who create loopholes. >> no principle involved? >> mayay i explain -- i head the jujuly 2011 argument first from rush limbaugh. i think i also hea fro drudge -- >> did you see it on tape? >> i know when it comes from, and you r repted it quite well. on the question of rights the reason i came to this principle -- principle who did the first thing on rates? bill clinton? who changed the rates again? george bush. they try to change the conversation by talking about revenue, you poor unwatched people don't understand the difference between rates and revenues. >> nina, bring us altogether please >> with a number of lobobbyists and the super pacs morphing into lobbyists, it will take quite some time, if it ever happens. we have to make that deal now and everybody understands that there is not some magic bullet. you have to d all. you have to raise revenue and you have to -- >> that is simply not true. >> it is
by eliminating deductions, you make the tax system more fair one. it is the rich who have the lawyers who rk around the rates and have the lobbyis who create loopholes. >> no principle involved? >> mayay i explain -- i head the jujuly 2011 argument first from rush limbaugh. i think i also hea fro drudge -- >> did you see it on tape? >> i know when it comes from, and you r repted it quite well. on the question of rights the reason i came to this principle -- principle who...
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does anybody care about taxing the rich? no. nobody is talking about the spending the do you police sit programs we have in this country. why aren't people talking about cutting back on spending. >> we are not even talking about giving aid to egypt and pakistan. we are not even talking about cutting anything on that at all. >> there is bigger issue. we need jobs. economic growth and revitalization of the american spirit. when you watch this and see america being degraded and devalued you have to be sad. >> that's the point, doug and i agree entirely with that point which is what people want to hear and talk about. that's what the republicans have talked about the election which they didn't and that's what they should be talking about now. someone should. the country is waiting. you are waiting. >> bottom line we elected president obama because is he nothing more than a brand. just like giewchy, bmw, whatnot. he is just a brand. >> at the end of the day, recession? >> yeah. yeah. >> recession? >> pretty likely. if we go off the c
does anybody care about taxing the rich? no. nobody is talking about the spending the do you police sit programs we have in this country. why aren't people talking about cutting back on spending. >> we are not even talking about giving aid to egypt and pakistan. we are not even talking about cutting anything on that at all. >> there is bigger issue. we need jobs. economic growth and revitalization of the american spirit. when you watch this and see america being degraded and...
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. >> an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> a leading conservative decides to give up his senate seats. >> a lot of my role in the senate has been stopping bad things, but we need to do more than that and tell americans what we are for. >> in syria, a concern about the possible use of weapons of mass destruction if south. >> the regime might very well consider the use of chemical weapons. >> the chattering classes are already chatting about 2016. >> look, i am flattered, i am honored. that is not in the future for may. "tim brant's college football captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> for the record, the unemployment rate has dropped to 7.7%, the economy adding 146,000 jobs in november. we want to keep that in mind as we head towards the fiscal cliff. only four in 10 americans expect the white house and congress to reach a deal on the cliff before the first of the year, and if this goes south, a 53% of the american people are prepared to blame republicans. the president's job approval rating is well over 50%. congress' approva
. >> an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> a leading conservative decides to give up his senate seats. >> a lot of my role in the senate has been stopping bad things, but we need to do more than that and tell americans what we are for. >> in syria, a concern about the possible use of weapons of mass destruction if south. >> the regime might very well consider the use of chemical weapons. >> the chattering classes are already...
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we all know that the top 1% or 2% is paying lower income taxes than any time in our history. they've had a great deal, president bush set that up for them but we as nation did better under the clinton tax policies where we asked the wealthy to pay their fair share and the result was economic prosperity. we can't balance the budget without having new revenue come from the wealthy. when you see the games they are play in congress right now to suggest you can do that with reductions and other ways, it is not true. the math does not add up. the president needs to stick to his guns and i know he will. in ensuring the wealthiest americans to help the great nation bailout from this mess. second, when we talk about cuts we have to make them. i can tell you the president and the vice president do not believe that the way to balance the budget is on the backs of the states. if they reduce the commitment to health care, medicare and medicaid which we're all struggling with in the states right now and say we're going reduce their reimbursement and shift the burden back to the states. the
we all know that the top 1% or 2% is paying lower income taxes than any time in our history. they've had a great deal, president bush set that up for them but we as nation did better under the clinton tax policies where we asked the wealthy to pay their fair share and the result was economic prosperity. we can't balance the budget without having new revenue come from the wealthy. when you see the games they are play in congress right now to suggest you can do that with reductions and other...